Tuesday, December 16, 2008

Troofers

So I met my first truther the other day. If you're not familiar with truthers they are people who believe that, in some form or fashion, the US government was either responsible for or complicit in the 9/11 attacks. The theories range from the-government-planned-and-orchestrated-the-killing-of-3,000-people-so-we-could-go-to-war type to the knew-about-it-but-did-nothing flavor.

I find it quite delusional and seriously fail to see how any rational person could buy into it. I just find it unbelievable that the government (and not the shapeless formless blob that people envision when they here the word "government" but the entity that runs this country that is made up of you know, people) would be able to make such a leap as to kill 3,000 of it's own innocent citizens but then leave well enough alone the handful of people who have "exposed" their grand scheme.

What I had read about but hadn't experienced is what it's like to talk/debate/argue with a truther in real life, face to face, mano a wacko. If you haven't read Bill Whittle's Seeing the Unseen Part 1 & Part 2 then stop what you are doing and go read it. He mentions the same thing I discovered... a truther will not disprove you, they won't even try. They bring up something... the towers where brought down in a controlled demolition. You counter... the WTC towers were an order of magnitude larger than any other building that has ever been drought down under controlled demolition, and those took months to rig not two days. Instead of offering some type of quasi-logic to disprove that they just simply move on "oh well, what about the fact that no plane parts where found on the Pentagon lawn?!?!" It doesn't matter what you say to them or what mind blowing logic like "the picture they show of no plane parts on the Pentagon lawn is 1 of about 4 while there are hundreds that show plane parts all over the place" they will simply move on. It can be quite a frustrating experience. The funny thing about it was he wasn't even an American. He was from an unnamed European country. Go figure.

So anyway after a couple of those back and forths I simply gave up and went to bed confident in the fact that I am not a retard and he is quite contently crazy under the guise of "asking questions."

7 comments:

Bag Blog said...

"Truthers" is such funny name for people who would rather believe a lie.

Klimax said...

Unfortunately there are some peopéle in small numbers... It looks like most have to be l(L)ibertarians or of simlar ideologue.

I met as well one troofer of my own nationality who was l(L)ibertarian(by his description,but against almost entire goverment) and used both avenues to argue his CT (MIHOP! made-it-happen-on-purpose).What was unexpected,he studied on the same faculty as me,where is studied mathematics and physics,yet made same errors like other troofers and he even added several more of his own...(regarding physics and logic)
Otherwise I know about only handfull online troofers from JREF forums(majority americans - I think - and one failed engineer from Sweden)

P.S.:I used l(L) since I could not say whether this is more true for Libertarians(party and associated ideologue) or movement.

And P.P.S.:AFAIK they are absolutely exceptions and majority of populace(LARGE) either do not care or does not believe in CT.

Mrs Greyhawk said...

Just want to take this opportunity to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Thank you for the precious gift of freedom you continue to give.

Thoughts and Prayers are with you, Godspeed.

Bev said...

Thank you for all that you do.

I hope you had a Merry and Blessed Christmas. Have a Joyous and Blessed New Year. Blessings to your family. God keep you and those that serve with you safe, strong and victorious.

yankeemom said...

Heh! Dang, if I didn't re-find you! I sure did miss your recruiter posts and was sorry to see you go offline - and esp., why. Glad to hear that you found the good.
Aghanistan, wow! Well, Sir, you just stay secure over there and know you are so appreciated over here.
Merry Christmas! And a Kick-a$$ New Year!
Don't hesitate one minute to give a holler if you all need anything ~
Now I have to go and catch up on your last few months...

ABWF said...

Happy New Year and belated Merry Christmas. Have you abandoned us again?

Station Commando said...

Thanks to all Merry wishers. Yankeemom it's good to see you here!